Break the Rules #100: The 5 Step Formula for Treating ANY Health Imbalance + Lab Testing 101 with Reed Davis, Founder of FDN

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Rhea Dali

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Dr. Lauryn Lax, OTD, MS

Dr. Lauryn, OTD, MS is a doctor of occupational therapy, clinical nutritionists and functional medicine expert with 25 years of clinical and personal experience in healing from complex chronic health issues and helping others do the same.

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You’ve tried supplements, 5 different doctors, diet programs…and nothing is working! Your skin STILL breaks out…you still have SIBO or candida…mold illness won’t go away…your PMS and cycle is all over the place?
Apparently you haven’t you tried the 5-Step D.R.E.S.S. method yet.
Founder of Functional Diagnostic Nutrition, Reed Davis, helps us simplify the seemingly complicated healing journey and understand when lab tests can be helpful; and gives you.

About Reed Davis

Reed Davis, Holistic Health Practitioner (HHP) and Certified Nutritional Therapist (CNT), is an expert in functional lab testing and holistic lifestyle medicine, and Founder of Functional Diagnostic Nutrition (FDN).  Reed served as the Health Director and Case Manager at a Wellness Center in Southern California for over 10 years and now teaches the FDN Course with over 2500 trainees or graduates in 50 countries.  Reed is known as one of the most experienced clinicians in the world today, having provided functional lab assessments to over 10,000 clients. Reed is an active gardener and motorcycle enthusiast and lives in the US, teaching the FDN Course and helping his graduates build successful health coaching businesses.

Show Transcript

Dr. Lauryn: [00:00:00] Well, hello hello hello. Welcome to another edition of the Break the Rules podcast, where we talk about quieting the noise in the health, food, and fitness world. Today, I’m super honored to have Reed Davis in the house and Reed is a holistic health practitioner and certified nutritional therapist and an expert in functional lab testing.

He’s been doing this work for quite some time, too. I would say he’s a pioneer in functional lab testing. And has started the FDN program, which he’s going to explain a little bit more about to us. That’s been going for quite some time, educating and training up health coaches and nutrition professionals, and really helping individuals worldwide take back their health into their own hands as well.

And today were just gonna have a really good conversation about some of the themes that he’s seen from a health perspective over the years, going and seeing so many tests and general functional lab tests, as well as how coaching has changed over the years in his time. And how coaching can help you both health wise, as well as career-wise perhaps for taking back your health. So Reed, thanks so much for coming on the show and just give us a little bit of background about who you are and what got you into doing the work you’re doing in the world.

Reed: [00:01:19] Hey, thanks so much, Lauryn. It’s really a pleasure to be here today and I’ll be happy to go over some of my background. It’s I think a pretty interesting story. You know, I was actually saving the whole planet back in the nineties. I was in environmental law, so I was working on, you know, saving the birds and bees and air and water and trees and, and you name it, you know, really on a mission and you know, realizing in having studied how bad the environment is, I started to wonder, you know, I’m looking at dead fish and birds and going well, what’s it doing to people? You know, what’s happening to us? And you know, not just other people, but me. You know, and I didn’t have a health problem. Most people get into the health business, especially health coaching, they have a personal health problem. They overcame it, you know, the hero’s journey, and then now they help others like them. I was perfectly fit and healthy, I thought.

So when I went into the, again, the environment and animals, trees, and things to people, I started working in a clinic in Southern California. It was a wellness center and it had doctors, chiropractic, acupuncture, massage, had an osteopath and really cool people. And I was honored to work there and I went to nutrition school and started doing nutrition there. It was really hard to run the place, but the owner took me along to some classes and I, and then, and this is amazing, the opportunity, this was back in 1999. She let me work on her patients in between my classes as I was studying nutritional therapy. And it was, I just fell in love with the clinical side. So I just fell in love with helping Mr. Smith or Mrs. Jones, it was mostly women, with their health problems, but this is where I’ll hand it back to you, the most amazing thing that just really got to me, was that everyone walking in the door had already seen four, six, eight, ten different practitioners and still had the original health complaints. And as a consumer advocate type, I just thought that was a rip off. So again, I didn’t start with my own health problem, overcome it, now here’s my story, maybe it’ll help you too. It was that I was in a clinic, where everyone walking into the door I thought had been getting ripped off and had not solved their problems, even if they had been to 10 people and spent, you know, 10 grand, 20 grand, whatever.

And I thought, here’s the rub really. I thought I’m going to be the last person they need to see, you know, I’m going to figure out what their real health problems are and how they could just, you know, stop that cycle of trial and error. So it seems kind of naive looking back on it then I didn’t know much, but that was what got me started.

Dr. Lauryn: [00:04:07] That’s really awesome. So you just, you dove in dove into the clinical side. Now you have over 2,500 trainees or graduates in a nutrition program as well that you started training others to help individuals. What does that process look like though, early on? Like, what is, what made you think that these people have been to all these practitioners? What were some of the missing links that you found to be thematic and the patients you were seeing and how you really wanted to help them turn the curve?

Reed: [00:04:36] Well, that took me a while to discover actually, and I had really good mentorship, but I was at a chiropractic seminar with the chiropractor who, again, who was letting me work on her patients doing nutrition and nutrition only works so well. I mean, nutrition only can help someone to the degree that nutrition is a missing element or, you know, pillar of health, so to speak. People do eat quite poorly, but even the ones who were eating really well, were also sick. And so I had to start looking at well, what other things are involved. And just, unfortunately, just, I don’t know, the universe working in my favor I guess, I started running laboratory work under these doctors with their guidance and mentorship, but I ran so much, I became a freak for lab work and eventually one of the labs I worked with called me up and says, who the hell are you? Like, nobody runs this many labs. Like how many doctors are there running these? And I said, it’s just me. It’s, you know, I’m a nutritionist and I’m running lab work under these doctors and they helped me, but what started to happen as I started to run my recognize patterns. And it seems, this is the kind of the secret of it, I guess, is that no matter what the person’s problem was, there was very specific things that when we worked on those, I call them healing opportunities, then they just got better.

So, you know, me, I’m not a physician, so I didn’t care about their medical diagnosis. That’s not, that’s not my backyard. You know, my backyard is, what’s really wrong? And then what can that person do between visits? Not something you do in the office. It’s what you do at home that matters.

So what kind of lifestyle or holistic programs could they engage in that would turn this around? And I basically learned that if you lift yourself into it, if you ate yourself in your problems, your lack of exercise, lack of sleep, overstress yourself in all these problems, then they could all be reversed.

But what was very, very helpful, Lauryn was the, the labs and running those and finding out what are they healing opportunities. I’ll give you my magic formula. Opportunities within the hormone immune digestion, detoxification energy and nervous system. So that’s spills hidden H I D D E N.

So it just became the magic place to look again, regardless of the problem, if they had fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue or irritable bowel, you know, you name the problem, we look in those areas. We then apply the general principles of healing. You know, no medication, no selling fancy pills, potions or powders, you know. It was just really having to go back and lift themselves back out of it, which of course is another magic formula, but that was it. It was running those labs and coming up with the hidden stressors, the hidden dysfunctions as a place to start your investigation.

Dr. Lauryn: [00:07:37] I love how you’ve come up with that acronym. And let’s kind of dive a little bit into that. What were some of the themes in those key areas that you would see? Talking about the patients that are already doing all the things specifically. Those healthy patients or healthy eating patients.

Reed: [00:07:53] Well, it’s funny. Cause I, you know, I was really good at recruiting new patients for the office. I would go out twice a week to these places and do bone density testing. So who are you going to end up seeing? I had my own portable bone density testing machine. I go out to these local markets and places. I did libraries. I did just anywhere. And I had a route and I did that for five years. I screened thousands and thousands and thousands of people. And who shows up for that? Mostly women. And what was one of the most common problems they have? Was their hormones. And so I was there to test them for their bone density, but it was really there, I mean, you can figure all the rest out, but hormones became really the main test I was running. So I was running thousands and thousands of hormone tests. That’s the first one, H, you know, in all the hidden stressors, district functions and things that go wrong, hormones was, it just fell into my lap.

Now the next one, the immune system. Cause once you fix the hormones, like you, you know, you haven’t reduced stress and sometimes there’s some little augmentation with bio botanical products with that. And then you support the adrenal glands and you do all these things and well, that helped a lot of women, but didn’t help them all.

And so it was just a trial and error, thousands of labs, thousands and thousands of labs, thousands of mostly women. And I came up with that hormone and then well, your immune system. Cause they’re more sick or their digestion. It didn’t actually happen in quite that order hormones were first, but then I couldn’t spell hidden if I didn’t change the order.

So that made it easy to remember, you know, So, you know, digestion, detoxification, energy production, the nervous system, you know, autonomic sympathetic versus parasympathetic. These are just the elements. Again, they just kept appearing and appearing and appearing. I guess I recognize the patterns and I was studying and it was, it just became a magic formula.

Dr. Lauryn: [00:10:00] Were you finding like most people have just no bacteria like dysbiosis or were you finding like, from the immune perspective, what kind of markers were you finding?

Reed: [00:10:11] Well, concurrent this investigation like just running labs, running labs, you have to give people things to do. Every good chiropractor will tell you, and that’s, that was who owned the clinic and there was other practitioners there, but they’ll, you know, they’ll tell you, it’s not what they do in that they can come in for their adjustments, but if they’re not going home and doing the stretching and strengthening and improving the posture and all the stuff we asked them to do, well, then they just keep coming in forever. They’re going to just keep ruining any progress they make in the office. So I looked at these things that I was finding on the lab test the same way, you know, what are we going to do?

Well, you know, I studied nutrition, so diets really important. And then when you study nutrition, you also learn a lot about supplements, but just putting them on a diet and supplements wasn’t enough. I mean, their supplements aren’t that good people would buy them for a month or two, maybe Lauryn. But if they felt better after month, they’d say, okay, I’m all better and quit taking them.

Or they, they wouldn’t work. You know, that wasn’t enough. And so they would quit taking it. Either way they quit taking them after a month or two, maybe three. And they probably were spending more money than they wanted too. And I realized quickly that that doesn’t, that isn’t good enough. So I came up with the other things involved, like what about getting a good night sleep and really helping people get that rest and then exercise, you know, sitting is the new smoking. You you’ll never, it would be healthy if you don’t exercise.

And then the biggest area probably is the stress like, well, just what kind of stress are you on? Cause when you study hormones, you have to study stress. Stress ruins you know, the hormones. And any, any person really will probably tell you that. But so now I came up with my next acronym, which is D R E S S – dress for health success.

It’s a formula for holistic grounding that’s so successful, we were given a trademark for it. So dress. You look at the hidden stressors and dysfunctions within those areas you identify those healing opportunities, but then you apply the principles of health building that are in diet, rest, exercise, stress reduction, and supplements. That spells dress.

And there’s no, there’s no one that’s more important than the others, but people in, I mean, in general, but people have weak areas. So we do a H I D D E N investigation into healing opportunities and then apply the principles of health building through the D R E S S program. And everybody got better. Now, if they have a true medical condition, they may still need some oversight and, but probably a lot less oversight and less medication, all these things.

So I never tried to cross over into a physician’s backyard, but when you apply these principles, you know, the people start living in your, in our backyard, in the health coaches backyard. And that was back in the time that the word health coach didn’t exist. But, you know, I try to break it down and keep it simple like that.

Dr. Lauryn: [00:13:21] No, I love simplicity and I love acronyms and everything. Let’s kind of walk through a pseudo case study, like give listeners an example of kind of walking through the H I D D E N and then did the D R E S S method with that plan.

Reed: [00:13:36] Right. So remember now people are coming with a complaint or two or ten. We try to narrow it down to what’s your main complaint. And how often does , how long has it been going on? What have you tried so far? And we really do a good onboarding session because we want to be the last person they need to see if possible. And likely when you get to that question about what have you tried so far. They’ve got this bad problem that’s been going on for a long time. It bothers them every day. It’s kind of ruined it, ruining their life and they’ve tried everything.

So that’s, that’s our backyard because what they haven’t tried is the approach we use to really look at as many of these, this sort of constellation of healing opportunities and applied dress principles to every cell tissue, organ and system at once. So most people are caught in a cycle because this applies to every case. I’m trying to answer your question, but, but keep the big view.

The broadest view possible is where a health coach lives. And so you, you look at the hidden healing opportunities and you apply the dress principles instead of treating a specific you know, condition. And that’s the mistake I see practitioners doing. They get this idea that all health begins in the gut, or, you know, it’s how you think about the problem that matters. Or, you know, they just have these single, you know, avenues for a person and they go and try it. And people try it and it doesn’t work because it really isn’t addressing the entire constellation of healing opportunities, which are very complex. And then they also aren’t applying those healing principles to every cell tissue, organ, and system simultaneously.

And it doesn’t require a whole body, whole person. You know just mind, body, spirit, physiology, anatomy, biochemistry. There are a lot of things involved. So if you don’t have a step by step approach, people get lost and then they give up. Then they just eventually go down the street to the next practitioner. I never wanted anyone going down the street to the next practitioner. You know, I don’t like not helping people. So, you know, that took a long time to figure out.

Dr. Lauryn: [00:15:53] We’ll say like Susie Smith comes to you and she has sibo. She has low cortisol and just imbalanced hormones in general. Sometimes she has her periods. Sometimes she doesn’t, it’s just a re irregular cycle. But her biggest complaint is that her skin breaks out a lot. Sometimes she feels bloated after meals, but it wasn’t even digestive complaints being her number one. Where would you start with someone that has something like that and walking through like your Dess principles?

Reed: [00:16:23] Well, you know, again, I would run some functional laboratory testing. We use saliva, blood, urine and stool, and by the time people get to us and they’re kind of you know, they think they’ve tried everything. They may even have run one or two of these types of labs, but they, what they did instead was addressed that one particular thing.

And they might’ve got some relief, which is important, but it didn’t go away permanently. It’s because they haven’t addressed all the other pieces of the puzzle or those constellations of healing factors.

There’s a, there’s a concept or it’s actually a construct that I came up with called metabolic chaos. So all of these influences from the environment, there are epigenetic factors they could just be, they could be mental, emotional stress, physical stress, pain, and aches you know, from previous, uh, damage that you’ve done accidents and things like that, but also the chemical stress of the environment, and biochemical stress. Things your body makes, toxins that aren’t being released, or parasites, bacteria, fungus viruses. We have food systems. We have all this input and it can skates throughout the body creating chaos so that you might say, well, these contributors to chaos or the cause and the effect is metabolic chaos, which, which manifests as in one person thyroid and another person, irritable bowel and another person, chronic fatigue, another person foggy thinking, and another person that can’t lose weight, you know? And, and there’s just one diagnosis for me. It’s just that metabolic chaos.

The problem becomes that. And so anytime you try to single something out, you’re only going to be addressing part of it. That’s why they must apply all of the principles of health building. They have to, and I use this particular method of figuring out what the right diet is. You would have to break down D R E S and S and the, and it’s huge.

I teach a course, it takes 8 to 12 months to finish on this, so I can only give you slices, but I use a metabolic type of diet. That’s the right amount of protein, fat and carbs for each individual. There is a formula where you fuel cells well enough that they can do their job, you know, and they automatically detox themselves cellular respiration, all those sort of things, but you don’t have to teach a cell what his job is. It knows. You just have to feed it properly, fuel it properly and then it produced energy at the right rate, quality, and quantity so that it does that job. Well, if you’re working on the cellular level like that, then the tissues tend to get the cell knows what kind of cell it is. So the tissue, and then that tissue is part of an organ or a system in some way.

And so you start cleaning people up through just fueling the cells. And that’s just the D now there’s also which proteins, which fats, which carbs. And I can seriously go on as a teacher, you know, we get kind of verbose. And the same thing with the rest, like really coaching people up on how to get the deep sleep and why that’s so important.

You know, we, again, we go in for extended periods of time, deep dives in these things. The exercise, I probably don’t need to explain it, but I’ll just, I’ll just cover this from the supplements. I mean, I won’t cover the supplements. I know a lot about them, but it’s the stress, it’s the various types of stress and some of it so much of it is hidden and that we think is normal.

We think it’s normal to be in this, this wacky world and an environment. And then, and it’s, it’s really common and it is every day. But it’s not normal, you know, it’s, it’s not conducive to proper function in all these areas. So when Mrs. Smith comes along with that problem, you mentioned, we run our investigation.

Every person, it’s what we do. You know, there’s no more just, well, I think it’s this. So I’ll run this one lab. That’s what gets you in trouble. It sounds like thyroid. So I’m going to run a thyroid test. Yep. I pat myself on the back. I found your problem, it’s thyroid. It’s not the thyroid. The thyroid is just part of the metabolic code.

It’s just where the symptoms are showing up in a traditionally reliable cluster symptoms that that is, you know, predictive. Um, but if you just treat the paper, Oh, it’s thyroid. So here’s your thyroid medication. You haven’t helped the person. You haven’t changed anything there. Everything else is still wrong.

The rest of the metabolic chaos is still in chaos and it will return. You might’ve beat symptoms for a little while, but you’re not going to get to the, to the real underlying conditions.

Dr. Lauryn: [00:21:03] Yeah. So you do this big picture and then you’re able to help them fine tune where the weak links are. The weaker links. Talk a little bit about just like the wild West of lab testing and not all labs are created equal. Ordering a certain lab, maybe on like may give you some information. Going to a practitioner, he may tell you to run like a hair test for metals when like urine provoked is going to be more. Talk a little bit about wild West testing.

Reed: [00:21:34] Well, you know, almost anyone can run labs these days because of these directed consumer programs. But I started one just for my graduates 12 years ago. There wasn’t direct to consumer lab testing like there is now. We really were the pioneer in that. And it was because, you know, I could run late absolutely the doctors in the office. But as soon as I started teaching, well, how was I going to get labs in the hands of my students clients. So my students who aren’t licensed, don’t actually run the labs. The client is doing a direct to consumer and allowing their health coach that I trained to look at the results by, by their agreement.

So it was the first direct to consumer lab program. And what I’ve noticed since is that you know, it was a good model, and it’s been imitated many, many times over. There’s probably 40 or 50 direct to consumer lab companies now. So people are going there and running labs, but they’re only getting a, usually it’s a medical interpretation of a diagnosis, and then there’s some kind of, you know, treatment option also given. So I don’t look for treatment options. I don’t want to know just what the average practitioner does is, or even people that say, you know, what can I use to raise or lower this number that’s out of range and how long do I take it for? And how much do I take? Well, that’s not the approach that we use. We’re not looking for just, Oh, here’s, here’s a treatment option for you. Well, here’s another one. This product or that product. That doesn’t take all the variables into consideration. And I think it’s what’s wrong with Western medicine.

The average doctor takes on all commerce. And then ads, you know, does a test finds out of range markers and says here’s an agent that will raise or lower that number did it where we want to me, that’s treating the paper and that’s why people are going around and around, around the circles with, with the next test and the next.

And they just keep treating the papers. They really don’t have a comprehensive approach and they’re not looking at the right things. So it’s again Mrs. Smith coming to us, I have my five labs that are like to run hormone immune disease and detoxification, and then multiple stress type testing for the bugs or the food sensitivities or whatever.

And then we have used live according to the fairly narrow path on the D R E S S principles. And that gets better results than any other system. It actually ends the cycle of trial and error. So I’m speaking in generalities. I just really continue to harp on the big picture and not get trapped into specific conditions.

Cause I don’t treat specific conditions. We treat any and every condition at once. And finally it’s called nonspecific treatment. So there’s, and you know, I mean, does diet treat everything? Well, it treats most things. Does exercise treat every, every cell tissue, organ and system? Yes, it does. Does rest benefit every cell tissue organ? Yes, it does. So these, these nonspecific treatments done properly considering all of them has better outcomes then specific treatment. We work nonspecifically and it’s, it’s just a thing of wonder.

Dr. Lauryn: [00:25:03] Yeah, I love that approach. And I think that could be a refreshing breath of a breath of refreshing air for the listeners to hear that and know that they don’t have to isolate just a symptom or isolate a problem in quotes. Talk a little bit about the investment of lab testing that I think can be a roadblock for some and just like may not be the end all be all, but they can also help with timing wise, like getting somewhere maybe faster then a longer DIY approach over the years.

Reed: [00:25:34] Sure. Well, staying sick is what’s really expensive, you know, not getting well and investing in yourself. So yes, it’s an investment, but staying sick costs you in happiness and in, and financially as well. And people miss days at work and, and on and on. So I haven’t been all that concern with the, what turns out to be a, quite a small investment.

Sure. Labs cost money. So does my time, you know, if I’m, if I’m gonna work with a person, I have my own fees. There’s two fees. There’s mine and there’s the lab fees. And there’s anything else that you might purchase or invest in to get yourself back together. It could be, I don’t know, Pilates instructions or acupuncture or whatever it might be, you know, there’s other modalities that might come in. But you’ll have a plan and you’ll be on a path and everyone has to walk their own path and, and come up with the resources to get there. Now, you know, you can say there’s a way to budget that and, but everyone’s, you know, we’re just helping people up the stairs and they have to put their best foot forward and they do have to come up with the resources.

I’ve told people they’re really not ready if they aren’t ready to invest. I, it sounds. I don’t know how it sounds, but you know, it’s just the facts. And so go have a house sale, get rid of some junk around the house that you don’t need that’s probably part of the problem and make those reasons part of the solution.

I want to back up just for a quick sec though, and say that if someone comes to us with a, you know, superior symptom there’s nothing wrong with relief care. Which is what modern medicine is great at. You know, if you go to a doctor, you just want to feel better. It may be that you want to look better, but most people just go cause they want to feel better and lose the symptom.

So if, if you get some relief, that’s okay. We just know that’s not the longterm. It doesn’t make you any healthier. And if you want to truly be healthy and happy you want to get rid of it on a more permanent level. So in our world, we can help with relief care too. And it’s usually a lot safer than, than toxic drugs and things like that.

We call it self care. It’s self treatment. I personally don’t treat anyone, but if they’re having hot flashes, you can’t really say, well, you know, in a couple of months, when we get all your stress hormones balanced out, you’re going to feel a lot better if they’re waking up and really nice sweating, you know? And so there is really, there’s nothing wrong with a little intelligent relief care. And so, you know, we, we help with that too, but, but it’s not our, it’s not our goal. It’s to figure out what are the underlying conditions so that you can be more in control depending on some damn supplement, you know, or whatever it is.

Dr. Lauryn: [00:28:37] Yeah, that’s really, really great. Well said. And just having that conversation probably early with yourself as the patient, like what do I really want? And then with the practitioner too. If your practitioner is actually not speaking to you about these things, I would say that maybe a red flag too, for if you’re really wanting to turn the curve.

Reed: [00:29:00] You know, physicians are there to save lives and they do amazing work. And yet, you know, some people aren’t ready for that. They don’t need that yet. There’s been just countless, countless you or someone, you know, Lauryn I’m sure, and every listener can relate to this. That they’ve been to a physio or know someone who has, who was told that their blood work looks totally normal. That it’s just fine, you know, that, you know, like, so what does that mean? It’s all in my head, you know, take a chill pill or something. No, I feel like crap. And I don’t like the way I look and feel, you know, and, and, and I want to change it and I’m willing to do some well, you know, go diet and exercise, come back cause your test again looks, it looks normal.

So these functional labs they look for it’s called subclinical. So it isn’t. It isn’t clinical. It doesn’t show up in the doctor’s office yet through the tests that they typically run. And so,, we’re looking for imbalances and again, what I call healing opportunities.

And people often call it looking for the root cause. And that’s something, a lot of physicians poo poo, because they know you’re never going to find it. Because it’s too complex and it’s too far, far, far upstream. And they’re actually right about that. In many cases, you’re never going to find the root cause, but it doesn’t mean you can’t have an effect upon it.

So when you get close enough and you, and you look at this constellation of healing opportunities that I spent 20 years identifying H I D D E N, when you, when you look at. Look at that constellation work on those things, everything else seems to fall in place. And I’ve seen, you know, medically diagnosed condition disappear. Asthma and allergies and, you know, fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue and irritable bowel and worse. Just go away. Why? Because there might not be one test to tell us what the root cause is, but there’s these functional labs that you get close enough where you can have a direct effect and still not use medication in surgery.

You know, the body actually wants to heal, which we haven’t mentioned here, but that’s really the crux of it. That’s the power that exists in every cell. It wants to do well, it wants to do good and wants to do its job. There’s an innate intelligence in every cell. Every person that’s there, whether we face it or not. So why not use that power? That the desire of the body to heal. We coach that up. We coach that function up. Coach up all the functions, you know, the things I mentioned and many more things. Well, we coach down the contributors to metabolic chaos, the, the bad things in the environment that you’re, you’re doing yourself or consuming or exposed to or whatever it might be

Dr. Lauryn: [00:32:01] Yeah. And I imagine you work in baby steps too,

Reed: [00:32:06] With babies.

Dr. Lauryn: [00:32:09] Or do you do one fatal swoop? What do you find that in your years of coaching…

Reed: [00:32:12] No, everyone’s different. That’s the other beauty of our way of thinking is that there are no two people like, and each one. You mentioned a beautiful term that we use all the time, weak links. So these weak links in metabolism are what is so interesting and critical, you know. Let’s take a stressor out here, the exact same stressor two people or a thousand people, and they had the same stressor or stressors.

Well, you know, that kind of goes in the body and depending on individual weak links in metabolism, downstream ends up as being all kinds of different symptoms. So, you know, we could have the same stressor, but in you it’s thyroid and me it’s digestion and the next person is their immune system. And another person is their inability to detoxify and the next person, it’s something musculoskeletal. The next person is neuronal conductivity. It could, you know, so you get the complexity of it. That’s why we say one stressor, individual weak links in metabolism could produce any variety of symptoms or cluster a symptoms. And so that makes it very interesting. Doesn’t it?

So you’ve got to know, you know, a little something about weak links in metabolism. The other way of looking at it is also true. People with the exact same set of symptoms. You worked on this lady and man, you really helped her. She had this set of symptoms and boy in three weeks, she felt better than in three months she was completely better and happy right? Now another person comes along with that exact set or cluster symptoms, and you try the same approach and it doesn’t do hardly anything to help him. Why is that? Because upstream is different weak links in metabolism and different stressors. So, you know, same stressor, different symptoms, same symptom, different weak links, different stress.

It’s, it’s really interesting. And it’s why to answer your question it’s really an individual basis. And that’s why you need a map. You need a step by step system. That everyone can just use.

Dr. Lauryn: [00:34:28] Talk to us a little bit about kind of transitioning. Just people listening to this may want to help other people with something like this too. They’re really energized about the thought of getting to not only their own root causes, but also helping individuals as well, and like the coaching realm and I know you’ve been doing this, you’re again, a pioneer for quite some time. How do you, or what do you say to an inquisitive coach that is, or potential coach or a nutritionist that’s really wanting to explore the next? Like what’s available for training? That’s a wild West out there as well. And the training sphere.

Reed: [00:35:06] Well, definitely if you have the desire to help others, and you’re willing to walk the talk then you know, it’d be a good place for you to start with our training. Again, if you want to help others, and you’re willing to walk the talk, then get trained, learn how to run the functional lab work, learn all the anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, involved. Study some cases where, you know, people come with this variety of complaints like I mentioned, and then you applied the lab work, you look for the healing opportunities and then you study all the protocols, you know, really understand, again, anatomy, physiology, biochemistry of diet and rest and exercise and stress reduction and supplementation and all the, all the ways that you can discover the stressors. Again, that’s sort of where more lab work is involved.

And you know supplements, I don’t have my own line, but I know a lot about them. And we, we teach that in, in general terms, but what you end up with is the ability to take on, we would have you learn how to onboard people and select people who are actually ready to do the work, but you, you can help just a lot of people starting with yourself.

And you can make a really good living doing it too. The health coaching is growing leaps and bounds. It’s becoming the preferred modality, if you will, for people with health problems. If there’s something about the way you look or feel that you don’t like, and you want to change, and it’s not a medical condition you’ve been told your bloodwork looks fine, or even told, Oh, it’s, you know, here’s, here’s a pill. We can get those numbers where we want them, but you want to really go deeper than that, then learn how to become a health coach and work on yourself first.

Dr. Lauryn: [00:36:59] Yeah, I know my own health journey skyrocketed when I started my educational path. And it continues always.

Reed: [00:37:07] Well, that’d be worth the price of admission. If you only worked on yourself. It’d be worth the investment in our course. And you could then turn around and do it on your family and friends. You, you don’t have to become a professional health coach. There are what I call the hobbyists. You know, it’s your hobby, you know, you don’t really want to be envisioned you have a job or you, you, there’s something else you’d like to do that earns you money or you don’t need to earn money. So you’re just a hobbyist. That’s cool too. But I prepare people to be professional, good income earning helpers, who, who, who know how to do this real living. And it’s growing and growing and growing.

Dr. Lauryn: [00:37:46] Really awesome. And where can people find out more about you and the training that you offer?

Reed: [00:37:53] Just put out good vibes and it’ll all come around to you. You know, other than that, you can go, you can go to the and look us up. I was trying to think of a longer name, but functional diagnostic nutrition. We’ll have to do.

Dr. Lauryn: [00:38:09] That’s awesome. Got that one early on GoDaddy, I know. So we’ll put the link in the show notes and Reed, thanks so much for coming on and just sharing with us your years of education and knowledge and experience.

Reed: [00:38:23] Yeah, thanks so much. I hope that we did an okay job for ourselves here and, you know, out of chaos, the metabolic chaos that is creating your symptoms, there is a way to get order. We get order out of chaos by following steps that are not experimental. It’s not theoretical. It’s practical. It’s really practical,  and anyone can do it.

So thank you very much for the opportunity.

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